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fortunately for all of us the original

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sinners of the UFO age are all dead and

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buried now six feet under their lies and

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deceptions there was no magic in their

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magic 12 just another grotesque

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perversion of the American victory over

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eight off and his bootlickers all that

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deception work for d-day Salina

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roswall its core own Rendlesham and even

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DC itself and those ten thousand other

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times we've seen what's impossible with

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our own eyes and what about poor Betty

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and Barney Travis Whitley and those two

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good old boys from Pascagoula and

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everybody else who had their backsides

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probed and deem a filched and God knows

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what else oh right it's classified

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need-to-know

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sorry but no cold et unobtainium alloy

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gets my superb when there are women like

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that blonde barista who could do the job

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and I'll even make the mocha this

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morning now we sit around and wait for

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capital D disclosure so we could finally

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figure out whether we're coming or going

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and every year we get that feeling that

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your dog just died there's a new

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generation of weasels with their reverse

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engineered rocket packs still hiding a

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reality more twisted and I ever saw an

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ass that except at that time war as much

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I've taken an oath not to reveal that I

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hold a sacred is anything they've taken

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in their underground bunkers those

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bloodsuckers treat the truth like it's

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our own personal property like their

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Bentley's and their yachts and their

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mutual funds a saucer could be camped

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out on your front yard tomorrow but they

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still trot out there Donald Menzel's and

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Philip Glass's they're Sagan's and show

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sticks entice ins and other yapping

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hyenas to tell us that the universe is

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probably teeming with life but those

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supposedly brilliant ETS from alpha

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wherever couldn't possibly be here

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the rest of us the goings gotten weird

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it's time for us to turn pro buy the

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ticket take the ride grab at that

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steaming mud pie we call the truth

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whatever god-awful insanity it may bring

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with it

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meanwhile just get me a case of Wild

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Turkey and Harley I hear there's a crop

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circle not too far from here this is

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somewhere in the skies the brains

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague when I was a kid

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I remember watching for the very first

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time a serious and in-depth movie that

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asked the question what if the

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government were able to use an alien

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abductee as bait to capture the captor

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and what happens when we discover the

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true meaning behind the aliens

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visitations and subsequent abductions of

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humans around the world

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this film was official denial written by

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Bryce Sabo and the first sci-fi Channel

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original movie Zabel went on to create

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the cult classic NBC television series

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dark skies which weaves in alternate

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history where JFK's assassination was

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due to a shadowy cabal bent on keeping

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the truth about UFOs and aliens from the

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public at any cost even the life of a

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u.s. president it was clear Zabel had an

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interest in UFOs but it clearly

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stretched far beyond a mere interest he

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navigated a trail for almost three

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decades heavily researching the UFO

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topic both with an open mind and a

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healthy dose of skepticism today we

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discussed that journey including updates

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on summer braces UFO films and TV

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projects in development we then discuss

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where we're heading in 2018 and beyond

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with old UFO enemies new UFO revelations

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and a future of possible disclosures

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both scary and exciting this is fear and

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brace thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies I like

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to be anywhere but somewhere in the

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skies is a good place to be absolutely

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man it's my motto I buy it and it's been

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a crazy journey so far but you my friend

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have been on a crazy journey as of late

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as well you are doing so many different

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things and of course this is a UFO show

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but before we even before we get into

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that Bryce the other exciting reason I

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wanted to bring you on today man is

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because you recently came out with a new

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book on a band that is near and dear to

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many many hearts including my own you

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know I used to go to Strawberry Fields

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almost every day after work and that

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book is once there was a way what if the

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Beatles stayed together wow man

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it was so much fun to write that because

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I always tell people I hope that they

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enjoy spending some extra time with the

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Beatles as much as I did because it was

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a joy to write you're talking about my

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break point book series which is a

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what-if series the very first one I

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wrote was called surrounded by enemies

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what if Kennedy survived Dallas and it

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won the sidewise award for alternate

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history which was very cool and it got

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me a publisher saying why don't you do

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that again and I thought well JFK is

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pretty damn iconic what would match him

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and I thought definitely the Beatles

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would match JFK so I I spent some time

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writing this book and it's a it's a

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what-if novel I guess it's not a it's

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not a nonfiction book speculating about

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it it tells it from the point of view of

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a Rolling Stone style magazine that I

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call rock star and rock star is looking

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back at those years of maximum danger

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for the Beatles from say 1968 to 1975

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when they managed to stay together now

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of course your listeners are saying but

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they didn't stay together they broke up

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in 1969 and 1970 and and I say that's in

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our timeline they did but this book is

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that alternate universe the one that

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where the Beatles stayed together and

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and it gave me a chance to tell a story

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that I I thought was realistic and

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credible I didn't go for time travel

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didn't try to make it magic there's no

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portal and

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back of the building it's just as if

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this is the world you live in and you're

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reading their history about one of the

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grow up about the world's greatest rock

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band by the way if you think about it

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the Rolling Stones are still playing

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together right now you can go by Rolling

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Stone tickets right now they were

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contemporaries of the Beatles so it

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isn't as crazy as you might think

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that the Beatles could have still stayed

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together and be playing even today

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absolutely man and there's something to

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be said about that when a band can you

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know you span decades and continue to do

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it you gotta wonder what are they doing

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right and whatever it is you know rock

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and roll is here to stay and I think

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this is I think you've been up a good

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point that there's no device in this

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book it's not time travel it's you know

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it's considered you know an alternate

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history you know I a parallel universe

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as it were but I think you know just

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throwing us in there and just saying

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what if I think that's really

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interesting and that what if is a topic

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we talk about a lot it's really fun I

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think writing these things to throw the

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reader into the deep end of the pool and

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let them sink or swim with it and and I

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think most people are swimming the

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results I get from people are that we

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live in a world that's a little tense

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right now what with Trump and

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international relations and gun violence

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and and and thinking about the Beatles

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staying together and continuing to make

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music for basically 50 more years it's

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just one of the great smiles that you

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can possibly have and the readers seem

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to be saying that they enjoyed taking a

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little vacation and listening to it

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which is not to say the book is conflict

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free it's not at all it's all about all

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the things that were difficult things

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for the Beatles to overcome that they

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did not overcome in our timeline but

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with a slightly different take on things

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they might have in another world in

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another way and so that's why there is

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once there was a way there was a way

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back in 1969 70 71 72 where the Beatles

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could have made some slightly different

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choices tweaked things a little

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differently and managed to continue to

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still make music as a band I just want

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to tell people if they if they want to

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read the book for themselves it's it's

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always a great price at amazon and

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we have a link at Amazon beetles calm

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but the thing I'm really proud about is

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Wilson made a website called what if

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beetles calm that gives people all these

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Easter eggs and chance to see albums

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that never were and and to consider

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things like that and it's very fun so I

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hope I hope people will enjoy the book

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that's why I wrote it and as you know

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you're a UFO show primarily and I know a

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lot about UFOs but there is even a

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Beatles connection to UFOs John Lennon

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saw a UFO in 1974 up there I saw a UFO

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and it went down the river turn right at

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the United Nations turn left and then

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down the river it wasn't a helicopter

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and wasn't a balloon and it was so near

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they look what sort of run why just

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license and silent silence and it looked

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dark like black or gray in the middle

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and had white lights just looked like

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lightbulbs you know just going off on

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off on off on blink-blink blink-blink

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round the bottom and on top was a red

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light and and he was outspoken on the

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subject of disclosure he thought that it

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needed to happen and when it did happen

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he thought that it was going to rock the

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world it would shake people out of their

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lives and make them think about the

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larger considerations in life so yet the

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Beatles are what I parked my brain in

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for a while but I haven't stopped

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parking it and the rest of the topic of

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UFOs in general absolutely I think I

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think you've earned those two parking

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spaces for sure I appreciate you know

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because the truth is I am NOT a

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ufologist who writes I'm a writer who

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knows something about ufology I'm not

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the I guess the the most informed guy on

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the topic although I'm better informed

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than most people but I still do other

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things I write television and film and

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and I just thought I would try my hand

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at writing novels a few years ago or

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books the first book I wrote it by the

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way was a UFO book it was called ad

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after disclosure which I co-wrote with

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Richard Dolan who I do think is one of

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the best informed people in the entire

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world on this subject and it was a joy

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to work with him but the reason you

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write books if you're a television or

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feature writer as I am you write them

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because they're underlying rights

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they're IP intellectual property but the

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difference is instead of

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me having to go out an option somebody

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else's rights I've created my own rights

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which is kind of helpful if you think

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about it

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I hope some day that break point which

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is the title of the book series also be

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the title of a television series and one

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season could be about JFK's surviving

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Dallas another season could be about the

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Beatles continuing to play together for

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years to come and seasons beyond that

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would explore other what-if so that's my

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hope

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that's my dream we'll see if it happens

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oh absolutely man I mean you look at the

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anthology television structure now and I

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think people really enjoy that

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you know seeing like these alternate

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histories you know maybe perhaps with

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the same actors in every season which is

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always kind of cool to see stretch their

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acting muscles but that is true although

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I between the world of JFK in there

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because if I'm gonna make a television

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series about the Beatles I'm gonna need

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to hire four actors that are terrific

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Beatles as in their own right who can

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also play music or have them perform

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together I don't know that they'll be

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applicable across the line but I mean it

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is very much the truth of the limited

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series that one season can be different

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than the other and they're all united

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under the umbrella of whatever the

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general theme of the series is and I

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just got tired I mean look I'm a fan of

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man in the high castle but asking what

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would have happened if the Nazis had won

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World War two or if the Confederacy had

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won the Civil War has been done many

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times in my view at this point so I've

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tried to focus on some of these what-ifs

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where I hadn't heard them before and I

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heard the Beatles for example I've heard

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people talk about it people make their

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own little set lists and things like

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that but nobody in an organized way had

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really said I'm gonna write a bonafide

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novel about this at least I couldn't

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find one that I liked and so I said I

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better write it myself that way I can

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read it so well I did want to bring up

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one of those connections that you make

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in the book Bryce before we move on to

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UFOs one that I found really interesting

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again I loved the website that you guys

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created for it I did get it on Amazon

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great price

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so definitely listeners check that out

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even if you're not a fan of the Beatles

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this book is so engaging that like you

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want to follow that and one of those

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storylines wait

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there are people out there who aren't

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fans of the Beatles you know what I I

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know one and she's in the other room so

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we'll be quiet right of course but but

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Inge and and by the way that that's

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totally fine and I think you're right

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you you don't write a book just for fans

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nor did I write it as a fan I although I

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am one I did not write it that way I

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tried to be a little more hard-nosed

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about the whole thing anyway go ahead

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with your question I cut you off oh not

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at all I mean it was the FBI connection

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with Ryan

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I found that extremely fascinating you

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know what this is you know something in

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the real universe we live in here and

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something that you continued in the book

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would you mind possibly going into that

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a little bit too one of the things I try

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to do is I try not to make up too many

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things out of whole cloth I try to

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extend things that we know were

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plausible in our universe because either

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happened to the subject or to someone

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else and in the real world that we lived

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through in the 70s most people now know

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but John Lennon was the definite target

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of FBI harassment and I ns harassment so

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ordered by the Nixon administration and

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this has all been proven of course in

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the declassified documents that have

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come out and it really was a very

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troubling time for John Lennon and Yoko

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Ono and it was very difficult on them my

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feeling was this if Lennon had continued

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to play with the Beatles and was not

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only a solo act at that point then the

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firepower of the Nixon administration

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would have also been trained by by a

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feeling of guilt by association on the

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entire Beatles so the group itself would

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have suffered some of the same intense

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obstacles that the FBI and I honest

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through it John Lennon and that makes

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for some really interesting conflict in

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a world where John Paul George and Ringo

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are all considered to a greater or

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lesser degree enemies of the state of

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the United States of America and I don't

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think it's implausible at all the other

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thing I did and I won't I won't go into

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too much detail because this is part of

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the fun of it but we all recall that in

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1974 Patty Hearst was kidnapped and so

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we know that famous people could get

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kidnapped

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then for political purposes by radical

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political groups so I played with that a

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little bit - it's awesome yeah again

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like taking real history and infuse it

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in into this is what makes it most

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engaging and finding those you know what

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really happened what if what if I love

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it I absolutely love it you know the

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thing it's fun for me Ryan is that I've

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I've had people literally a lot of

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people tell me man

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I mean it was a great book I really

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enjoyed it but I had to keep stopping

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and look up things because I couldn't

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tell what was real and what wasn't and

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to me that's the highest compliment

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where I'm able to weave things that

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might have been but never were into a

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storyline about things that that were in

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fact if you want people to sort of fall

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into the rabbit hole and enjoy the the

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alternate history experience the best

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thing you can do is serve up some very

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credible history the only thing I would

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say is my father who has passed on but

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he was a high school history teacher and

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if he was around and read those books

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now he'd be rolling over well he

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wouldn't be around he'd be charlie

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rolling over in his grave right now

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saying what have I done to my son uh but

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but that's kind of the fun of it and the

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only odd issue is creating alternate

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history when Donald Trump is telling the

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world that everything is fake news

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hydrogen I really don't want to give aid

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and comfort to that thinking but it's

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alternate history it's fun it's across

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another universe absolutely man and in

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today's world the lines of truth are

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being blurred every day I I don't even

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know where to go with that but the fact

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that you you're you're finding these

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topics that are both engaging and can

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actually dis not distract us but can

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make us remember better times in our

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history through music I think that's

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that's very that's what we need right

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now I'll leave it at that in turn I

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appreciate that and thanks for thanks

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for your generosity and talking about

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the book right now and I'm happy to talk

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about anything else you want to talk

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about absolutely man you are a man of

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many hats and the other reason I wanted

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to bring you on obviously

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UFOs a subject you're quite familiar

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with so you know before we even get into

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the whites I'd love to know why you got

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involved with UFOs Bryce if

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could maybe give us a little bit of that

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journey I mean official denial for one

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right is one of the first UFO related

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things I've ever seen on television and

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got me interested starring Parker

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Stevenson and obviously we have your

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your other big breakout television

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series so yeah how did you first get

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involved in the UFO topic it's an

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interesting story and what's what I

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think is also true is that every one of

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your listeners and yourself have your

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own interesting story it's sort of like

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when did somebody become a Beatles fan

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well everybody's got a different story

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and when did somebody cop to UFOs

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everybody has that story mine goes like

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this I literally grew up in Oregon and

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my family moved there in 1950 which I

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wasn't born yet but they moved there in

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1950 and lived right next to where the

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trench saw that UFO and McMinnville also

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we were in that local neighborhood and

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then as I was growing up the I think it

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was Walpole might be Waldport the the

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UFO cult that was on the coast there for

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a while so UFOs were kind of sort of

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this weird thing that you sort of heard

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a little bit about like everybody I paid

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a little attention

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I remember interrupted journey was on

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the book club that my mother got and I

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read some other things I didn't really

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think too much about it but when I

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became a screenwriter here in Hollywood

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I was looking around for I wanted to

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write a spec script and I wanted it to

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be full of conflict and mystery and

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suspense and I had read Whitley

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streamers Communion a few years earlier

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and I so I knew something about the

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abduction phenomenon and a great what-if

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came to me so we're talking about

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what-ifs this is what the what if for me

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was what if the government had targeted

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Whitley Strieber knowing he was really

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being abducted and covertly wired up his

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house so the next time he got abducted

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they could dispatch the planes and chase

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down a UFO and possibly shoot it down so

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that became the what if that led to a

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script that became the movie that you've

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talked about official denial official

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denial was the first original film

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written for the sci-fi channel now

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sci-fi and and I was lucky enough to

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write it and it got produced in nineteen

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93 so we're literally celebrating my

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25th year if you will I know if you

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celebrate these things but it's 25 years

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since I had something produced in the

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UFO genre and I did it because it was an

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interesting storyline for me and so I

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started reading widely and collecting

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books and reading and reading and the

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more I read the more I said wow there's

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a lot of smoke here I bet there's some

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fire too so it is not like I've ever

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seen a UFO and I haven't been abducted

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and I haven't had an experience like

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that but I know a lot of people who have

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and I've read a lot of credible reports

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by pilots and journalists etc and I've

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come to believe that you know this is an

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issue that was basically ignored by my

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father's generation and and ridiculed

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and denied by my generation and it's

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time for the new generation to get some

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recognition that this is really

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happening and I think it is happening

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right now I think we are starting to

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recognize that so it's very exciting

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time 2018 is an important moment for us

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and just to finish my my own little trip

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down memory lane of ufology because I

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had I learned one really strong lesson

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from official denial it was a great

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script but not the world's best movie I

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learned one strong lesson do not put a

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twelve-year-old ballerina in a rubber

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suit to be an alien oh no I just did not

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work so a few years later with my

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partner writing partner Brent Friedman

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at the time we created a show called

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dark skies for NBC we got a lot more

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money

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we got something close to fifty million

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dollars to do a season's worth of

543
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,470
episodes and we turn dark skies into the

544
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,080
most subversive show I take this every

545
00:22:03,410 --> 00:22:00,720
men on TV because we did a pilot episode

546
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:03,420
that said John Kennedy was killed

547
00:22:07,250 --> 00:22:05,100
because he was going to tell the truth

548
00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:07,260
about UFOs in his second term and the

549
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:09,929
entire series took place in the 1960s

550
00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:11,730
and did exactly what we were talking

551
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,380
about for the Beatles book where it

552
00:22:17,060 --> 00:22:15,600
winds things that we know up from one

553
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:17,070
world into another world

554
00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:19,650
so for dark skies it was winding you

555
00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:22,260
youth illogical events into historical

556
00:22:27,330 --> 00:22:25,980
events from the 60s 1947 Roswell New

557
00:22:29,639 --> 00:22:27,340
Mexico

558
00:22:32,419 --> 00:22:29,649
an event takes place that will change

559
00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:32,429
history forever

560
00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:35,500
they have come

561
00:22:40,590 --> 00:22:38,140
an alien force of incomparable power

562
00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:40,600
with a deadly ultimatum

563
00:22:45,899 --> 00:22:43,030
they just demanded our unconditional

564
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:45,909
surrender now the battle has begun we're

565
00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:48,730
about to bet the entire human race it's

566
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:51,370
so less the cover-up I have nothing but

567
00:22:55,649 --> 00:22:52,840
a figment of your imagination because

568
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:55,659
this incident never happened and I've

569
00:22:59,370 --> 00:22:57,610
just kept at it since then I have other

570
00:23:02,190 --> 00:22:59,380
projects and develop and now and of

571
00:23:03,899 --> 00:23:02,200
course I speak about it and I talk about

572
00:23:06,270 --> 00:23:03,909
it and I think about it like a lot of

573
00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:06,280
people and it's just something that has

574
00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:08,470
fascinated me and I think we are on the

575
00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:10,679
verge of big change

576
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:13,270
absolutely and that sort of ties into a

577
00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:15,490
speaking engagement you just gave Bryce

578
00:23:19,649 --> 00:23:17,470
what a week ago

579
00:23:21,930 --> 00:23:19,659
no are you talking about the I UFO see

580
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,940
which one my speech was hunt day one

581
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,679
which happened to be Valentine's Day so

582
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,600
I just want to paint a picture for you I

583
00:23:30,659 --> 00:23:28,000
had to say to my wife honey I have a

584
00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:30,669
great idea for Valentine's Day let's go

585
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:33,100
to Phoenix and go to a UFO conference

586
00:23:37,470 --> 00:23:34,809
until you can imagine that wasn't

587
00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:37,480
exactly the strongest romantic pitch

588
00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:39,130
I've ever made in my life but she came

589
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,740
with me and I did I spoke at the I UFO

590
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:44,320
see just a couple of weeks ago yeah well

591
00:23:48,990 --> 00:23:46,330
I am with you on that man I spoke last

592
00:23:51,299 --> 00:23:49,000
year on the same day and my girlfriend

593
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:51,309
came and it was I'm in the same boat

594
00:23:54,090 --> 00:23:52,570
with your brother I know what it's like

595
00:23:56,430 --> 00:23:54,100
and it's good to have supportive people

596
00:24:00,240 --> 00:23:56,440
we are about we are bonded by our

597
00:24:02,850 --> 00:24:00,250
Valentine's Day massacres its what the

598
00:24:04,919 --> 00:24:02,860
holiday was meant for yeah I well I'll

599
00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:04,929
tell you I so I she said well that's

600
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:06,520
okay we'll go out to dinner and I said

601
00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:09,610
actually there's the speaker's dinner so

602
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:11,620
I play can't so yeah

603
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:13,510
I'm still making it up to her but that's

604
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:15,370
good it's all good yep well trust me

605
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:17,289
you'll be making it up for a while if I

606
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:18,850
okay thank you for that piece of advice

607
00:24:24,779 --> 00:24:22,510
you're welcome well I'd love to hear

608
00:24:26,490 --> 00:24:24,789
about how how the Congress run Bryce I'm

609
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,500
curious about your thoughts about it how

610
00:24:30,899 --> 00:24:28,240
were you able to see any of the

611
00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:30,909
speaker's what was your talk in

612
00:24:35,130 --> 00:24:32,470
particular about and how was the

613
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,140
reception to everything that I I would

614
00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:36,880
imagine the whole week is just a flurry

615
00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:40,030
of information I wanted to make a

616
00:24:44,190 --> 00:24:42,070
different kind of statement I've been to

617
00:24:47,460 --> 00:24:44,200
enough conferences spoken at a few

618
00:24:49,270 --> 00:24:47,470
listen to a lot of speakers and while

619
00:24:51,580 --> 00:24:49,280
I'm not trying to put anybody down there

620
00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:51,590
the same-old same-old aspect to it if

621
00:24:56,590 --> 00:24:53,390
you go to a lot of them you do hear a

622
00:24:59,020 --> 00:24:56,600
lot of the same take and the thing is

623
00:25:01,870 --> 00:24:59,030
I'm a former journalist I was a CNN

624
00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:01,880
correspondent at one time in my life and

625
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:04,370
I'm also now and I guess a dramatist and

626
00:25:09,220 --> 00:25:06,710
an entertainer and I thought I ought to

627
00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:09,230
bring that aspect of it into my

628
00:25:14,620 --> 00:25:12,350
conference speech so I literally went

629
00:25:16,780 --> 00:25:14,630
for it I believe you should go past the

630
00:25:18,970 --> 00:25:16,790
edge if you can so I tried to I I came

631
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:18,980
up with a conference title for my speech

632
00:25:23,050 --> 00:25:21,170
called fear and loathing on the trail of

633
00:25:25,180 --> 00:25:23,060
the saucers which is kind of an homage

634
00:25:27,010 --> 00:25:25,190
to Hunter s Thompson and his fear and

635
00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:27,020
loathing in las vegas and fear and

636
00:25:31,060 --> 00:25:28,760
loathing on the campaign trail because i

637
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:31,070
think fear and loathing describes a lot

638
00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:34,400
of what you follow g has been over the

639
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:36,350
the years that i've been involved in it

640
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,930
and i tried to look at it a little bit

641
00:25:43,210 --> 00:25:41,120
from the point of view of what would

642
00:25:46,150 --> 00:25:43,220
hunter say you know here's a man who

643
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:46,160
didn't suffer fools easily a man who

644
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:48,290
could see through nonsense when it was

645
00:25:52,810 --> 00:25:51,170
presented to him and yeah i'm not

646
00:25:54,670 --> 00:25:52,820
defending his drug use or anything like

647
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:54,680
that but i am defending his honest

648
00:26:01,030 --> 00:25:57,890
journalism his attempt to lay out the

649
00:26:03,490 --> 00:26:01,040
truth as he saw it so i I kind of leaned

650
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:03,500
into that and tried to take some stands

651
00:26:09,250 --> 00:26:05,510
and tried to make it entertaining and

652
00:26:11,950 --> 00:26:09,260
try to convey that we have some

653
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:11,960
obligations as individuals that go

654
00:26:16,990 --> 00:26:14,480
beyond simply putting our bottoms in a

655
00:26:20,050 --> 00:26:17,000
chair and listening to people we have

656
00:26:21,910 --> 00:26:20,060
got to be reaching out to our friends

657
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,920
and neighbors and in different ways than

658
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:24,400
we have in the past and it's also time

659
00:26:30,730 --> 00:26:27,440
frankly for all the posers and the

660
00:26:32,020 --> 00:26:30,740
fakers to stop it's time for them to not

661
00:26:34,540 --> 00:26:32,030
do this anymore

662
00:26:37,450 --> 00:26:34,550
we have got to be more credible we it's

663
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:37,460
it's time to get serious and so for

664
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:39,530
people that are you know we need to

665
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:42,410
ignore the people who are our making

666
00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:44,690
stuff up and we need to focus on the

667
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:46,580
people who are reporting actual facts

668
00:26:50,650 --> 00:26:48,650
and that's just where I come at it I'd

669
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:50,660
have to agree Bryce I mean I I spend

670
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:53,210
every episode trying to you know weed

671
00:26:58,660 --> 00:26:55,790
through the disinformation the

672
00:27:00,790 --> 00:26:58,670
charlatans and of course with a topic as

673
00:27:02,350 --> 00:27:00,800
sensitive as this like you're gonna have

674
00:27:04,930 --> 00:27:02,360
those people who comment

675
00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:04,940
take advantage of believers and do that

676
00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:06,740
I mean this happens you know in any

677
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:10,580
other field as well but not not not

678
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:13,910
quite as vividly as it is it does in

679
00:27:18,820 --> 00:27:16,130
ours look I'm an entertainer I make

680
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:18,830
stuff up but but I but my stuff that I'm

681
00:27:24,250 --> 00:27:21,440
making up is clearly labeled as such I'm

682
00:27:28,090 --> 00:27:24,260
making no attempt to Palm off currently

683
00:27:30,580 --> 00:27:28,100
anything that I that I'm doing as more

684
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:30,590
than it is it's I think we need some

685
00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:34,910
truth in labeling so I just here's a

686
00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:37,180
good example if you I think they did a

687
00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:40,430
poll a few years back and they came to

688
00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:43,070
the conclusion that there were way way

689
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,260
way more people that said they served in

690
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:46,880
Vietnam that actually did serve in

691
00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:50,000
Vietnam okay I think we have the same

692
00:27:54,010 --> 00:27:51,830
thing about abductions going on right

693
00:27:55,810 --> 00:27:54,020
now they're way way way more people

694
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:55,820
claiming them that actually have had

695
00:27:59,650 --> 00:27:57,890
them that's just my opinion I know other

696
00:28:01,630 --> 00:27:59,660
people will disagree with me but that's

697
00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:01,640
where I come at it yeah yeah I would

698
00:28:05,650 --> 00:28:03,560
have to agree I mean I you know you know

699
00:28:07,630 --> 00:28:05,660
from my book I've interviewed hundreds

700
00:28:10,510 --> 00:28:07,640
of people who claimed abduct yes do I

701
00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:10,520
believe everyone that's tough to say do

702
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:12,140
I believe they believe something

703
00:28:17,140 --> 00:28:14,690
happened yes of course did it happen in

704
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:17,150
the reality that we know I don't know

705
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:18,830
are there those that are straight up

706
00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:21,170
lying to my face probably and that's

707
00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:22,670
sobering that's depressing

708
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:24,470
but that's kind of the way it is but I

709
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:26,090
would have to agree with you I think

710
00:28:32,380 --> 00:28:29,360
there are a handful of genuine possible

711
00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:32,390
abduction claims as for UFO sightings my

712
00:28:37,270 --> 00:28:34,700
god everyone and their mother has seen

713
00:28:39,820 --> 00:28:37,280
something they can't explain and it is a

714
00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:39,830
wide phenomenon so I'm not putting that

715
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:41,680
people they've seen things I've heard

716
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,150
frankly because I did that television

717
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:46,960
series dark skies I've had an entire

718
00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:49,370
20-some years where people go are you

719
00:28:53,970 --> 00:28:51,260
the guy that did that TV series and I'll

720
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:53,980
say yeah I am and they'll say you know

721
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:56,450
something happened to me I never told

722
00:29:00,850 --> 00:28:58,490
anybody about it but and then they tell

723
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:00,860
me a great story now those people I tend

724
00:29:05,170 --> 00:29:03,170
to believe I don't think they're just

725
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:05,180
making it up for an audience of one I

726
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:07,190
think that they are tortured by

727
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,530
something and they want to talk about it

728
00:29:14,590 --> 00:29:11,120
so I've heard some really terrific

729
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:14,600
stories that I find very credible but I

730
00:29:19,629 --> 00:29:16,730
am drawn in my own

731
00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:19,639
development toward stories that I think

732
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:21,740
are better cases so for example I have

733
00:29:26,889 --> 00:29:24,769
under option the book captured which was

734
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:26,899
written by Stanton Friedman and Kathleen

735
00:29:30,639 --> 00:29:28,610
Martin about the Betty and Barney Hill

736
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:30,649
case and we are developing that for a

737
00:29:34,269 --> 00:29:32,630
feature film and the reason I like

738
00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:34,279
captured and the Betty and Barney Hill

739
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:36,409
case more than some more contemporary

740
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,010
ones is that it precedes our feelings

741
00:29:45,370 --> 00:29:43,039
about what an abduction is it's kind of

742
00:29:47,379 --> 00:29:45,380
pure because it's it's sort of the first

743
00:29:50,610 --> 00:29:47,389
it's the wellhead of this stuff so I do

744
00:29:53,049 --> 00:29:50,620
I am attracted to cases before

745
00:29:55,149 --> 00:29:53,059
abductions and aliens became a cultural

746
00:29:57,850 --> 00:29:55,159
phenomenon in their own right so I do

747
00:29:59,799 --> 00:29:57,860
find myself looking more deeply at some

748
00:30:01,210 --> 00:29:59,809
of those right right and there's a few

749
00:30:02,590 --> 00:30:01,220
other projects you have in development

750
00:30:05,379 --> 00:30:02,600
that I'd like to talk about in a little

751
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:05,389
bit in terms of we talked you know

752
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:07,750
before we start recording here about a

753
00:30:12,909 --> 00:30:10,970
famous you know saying we say in New

754
00:30:15,970 --> 00:30:12,919
York on the subways it's if you see

755
00:30:18,370 --> 00:30:15,980
something say something absolutely now

756
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:18,380
move fun Bryce I don't know if you've

757
00:30:22,509 --> 00:30:20,690
ever worked with anyone from MUFON I

758
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:22,519
recently had the new director of

759
00:30:28,539 --> 00:30:24,769
research on to talk about the

760
00:30:30,610 --> 00:30:28,549
organization a couple weeks ago and I'd

761
00:30:32,350 --> 00:30:30,620
love to know your thoughts on okay you

762
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:32,360
see something in this guy you don't know

763
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,610
what it is what do you do like where do

764
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:36,559
you go who do you turn to what are your

765
00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:38,510
thoughts on these civilian run

766
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:40,940
organizations out there that are taking

767
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:42,370
the time to send people out to

768
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,350
investigate UFOs whatever the hell they

769
00:30:49,529 --> 00:30:47,120
might be what what do you think of this

770
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:49,539
whole idea this movement of the

771
00:30:55,180 --> 00:30:52,730
independent UFO research organization

772
00:30:56,860 --> 00:30:55,190
well I think they're heroic people to do

773
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:56,870
it they're taking time out of their own

774
00:31:00,759 --> 00:30:58,610
lives to try to accomplish something

775
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:00,769
that's worthwhile and important it

776
00:31:05,139 --> 00:31:02,450
doesn't mean that everybody is doing the

777
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,149
best work it just means that nobody else

778
00:31:09,310 --> 00:31:07,279
is doing it so they've stepped in to

779
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:09,320
fill the void and I have to salute that

780
00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:11,570
you're you're quite right let's say

781
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,840
you're driving home tonight and you're

782
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:17,360
out on a deserted Road and something

783
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,730
literally hovers in front of you wow

784
00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:20,960
that's pretty shocking

785
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:23,870
right I mean Wow who is supposed to tell

786
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,580
about it who do you call

787
00:31:28,750 --> 00:31:27,200
I mean you call the police what are they

788
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:28,760
gonna do about it they're gonna say is

789
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:29,700
it there now

790
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:32,010
no it flew away all right well go home

791
00:31:36,169 --> 00:31:33,690
and take two aspirin and call me in the

792
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:36,179
morning it's it's like what are you

793
00:31:41,659 --> 00:31:38,730
supposed to do so at least MUFON is

794
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:41,669
willing to take your call and by taking

795
00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:43,740
enough of those calls they're able to

796
00:31:48,649 --> 00:31:45,779
measure whether things are similar or

797
00:31:51,769 --> 00:31:48,659
different they're able to evaluate your

798
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:51,779
story versus others so again they're

799
00:31:56,299 --> 00:31:53,700
doing something that we're not doing

800
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:56,309
ourselves right now I do think as we

801
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,580
move forward we need to really organize

802
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:02,159
ourselves in a clear way because it

803
00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:05,490
seems obvious that while the government

804
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:09,630
in 2017 sort of indirectly through Lewis

805
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:12,809
Elizondo and and others is pretty much

806
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:14,370
admitting that some of those things

807
00:32:18,769 --> 00:32:16,169
flying around in our skies are from

808
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:18,779
someplace that isn't here and they're

809
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:20,940
being flown by somebody that isn't us I

810
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:23,100
mean that's a pretty astonishing

811
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:25,080
revelation they're really not taking the

812
00:32:29,539 --> 00:32:26,970
lead on it they're not leading us to a

813
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:29,549
way where we can grab these answers for

814
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:31,860
ourselves nor should we have to wait for

815
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,049
the government to tell us we have got to

816
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:36,600
bring disclosure to ourselves which is

817
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,090
why I think we all need to shape

818
00:32:44,529 --> 00:32:42,240
ourselves up and try to apply the best

819
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:44,539
possible standards of science and

820
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:47,309
observation and reporting that we can

821
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:50,820
because to let government or big brother

822
00:32:56,509 --> 00:32:53,580
or anybody else do it is to ask for

823
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,519
somebody to mislead you and I don't want

824
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:58,260
to be mislead anymore I've had enough of

825
00:33:03,019 --> 00:33:00,360
that now as young as I used to be and I

826
00:33:05,659 --> 00:33:03,029
would like to have some of this resolved

827
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:05,669
in my lifetime and so I say let's get on

828
00:33:09,139 --> 00:33:06,210
with it

829
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:09,149
me too man I mean you know who knows if

830
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,610
we'll ever know in that capital D on

831
00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:13,679
disclosures the other big thing you know

832
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:17,100
we we so many in the UFO field you know

833
00:33:20,779 --> 00:33:18,510
they preach about not trusting the

834
00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:20,789
government about this topic and then the

835
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,350
minute this New York Times article comes

836
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,659
out you know they're so quick to believe

837
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:26,399
everything the Pentagon has to say about

838
00:33:35,299 --> 00:33:31,440
it it it is tough think about what we've

839
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:35,309
seen in 2017 as we lean in to 2018 right

840
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:38,610
now we saw the New York Times finally

841
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:40,200
start putting things on the front page

842
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:42,570
about this we saw the government

843
00:33:48,670 --> 00:33:43,530
allowing

844
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:48,680
luis Elizondo to come and talk openly or

845
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,050
reasonably openly and to bring with him

846
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:53,760
a couple of great videos we have

847
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:55,380
deliberately stayed away from going down

848
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:57,090
the rabbit hole of who's behind the

849
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:58,770
wheel and what are their intentions yeah

850
00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:01,500
because that a lot of people have a lot

851
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:03,630
of feelings towards that and and are

852
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,340
very emotional about that and what I

853
00:34:08,659 --> 00:34:06,960
wanted to do is to allow the data to

854
00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:08,669
speak for itself and then use that data

855
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,919
to inform leadership senior DoD

856
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:13,200
leadership about the potential threat

857
00:34:17,450 --> 00:34:15,450
that that these type of technologies

858
00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:17,460
pose to national security

859
00:34:21,379 --> 00:34:19,710
especially over any type of controlled

860
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,389
airspace that we might have so I'm not

861
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:23,520
trying to be evasive in any way or vague

862
00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:25,260
with your with your answer but I think

863
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:26,790
there's a lot of possibilities look and

864
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:27,960
I know you think it's important I know

865
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:29,129
you think that the government didn't

866
00:34:31,879 --> 00:34:30,570
take the threat seriously enough so so

867
00:34:33,860 --> 00:34:31,889
let me just ask you point-blank the

868
00:34:35,899 --> 00:34:33,870
question do you believe that that life

869
00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:35,909
from somewhere else while you ran this

870
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:38,790
program came near visited it observed I

871
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,730
will tell you unequivocally that that

872
00:34:46,070 --> 00:34:44,159
through the observation scientific

873
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:46,080
methodologies that were applied to to

874
00:34:51,350 --> 00:34:49,110
look at this phenomena that these

875
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:51,360
aircraft will call am aircraft are

876
00:34:56,419 --> 00:34:53,970
displaying characteristics that are not

877
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,429
currently within the u.s. inventory nor

878
00:35:01,280 --> 00:34:59,040
in any foreign inventory that that we

879
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:01,290
are aware of so I know you're using

880
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,300
you're being clear but I mean the answer

881
00:35:09,590 --> 00:35:06,000
is yes my personal belief is that there

882
00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:09,600
is very compelling evidence that we may

883
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:10,140
not be alone

884
00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:13,500
we saw Tom DeLonge announced that he

885
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,080
knows something but that he's got his

886
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:19,200
own plan for how to get it out so we

887
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:21,780
have the sort of the government limited

888
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:24,300
modified hangout version and then we

889
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:28,290
have the will do it ourselves but we're

890
00:35:30,830 --> 00:35:29,760
not going to call a news conference and

891
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,840
tell you what we know we're gonna make

892
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:32,820
some we're gonna write some books and do

893
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:35,280
some TV shows which is Tom DeLonge

894
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,210
version I I think the truth probably is

895
00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:42,240
in between all that and I'm just I'm

896
00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:44,070
heartened and at the same time I'm

897
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,670
saying okay good start now let's let's

898
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:49,440
take it to the next level from there

899
00:35:54,410 --> 00:35:51,930
absolutely I mean you've even said that

900
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:54,420
a few times so far of just moving

901
00:35:59,960 --> 00:35:57,210
forward okay okay now you know

902
00:36:01,940 --> 00:35:59,970
you show us these two gun camera videos

903
00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:01,950
that's great like what's next what's

904
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:02,670
next

905
00:36:07,580 --> 00:36:05,010
I think that's very important that we

906
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:07,590
don't focus too much on what what has

907
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:09,450
happened but what could happen and

908
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:11,910
moving forward I think that's extremely

909
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:14,910
important in this field and sort of

910
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,680
something that a lot of researchers

911
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:18,420
aren't willing to do they're too stuck

912
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:20,190
in the past and that actually has

913
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:21,480
something to do with a question I wanted

914
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:24,720
to ask you about the new generation you

915
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:26,730
know I'm 33 years old and I'm considered

916
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:29,460
one of the youngest UFO researchers and

917
00:36:33,830 --> 00:36:31,590
right you know that that's cool and all

918
00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:33,840
but I find that a little you know

919
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:35,670
disheartening that we don't have younger

920
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:37,890
people interested in this topic as much

921
00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:39,810
maybe that's changing what are your

922
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:40,470
thoughts on that

923
00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:42,540
it's crydom how can we get them

924
00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:43,800
interested well that's it that's us

925
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:45,980
those are two questions at first it is

926
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:49,320
ridiculous because if anybody is going

927
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:50,970
to live in this world of the future

928
00:36:56,660 --> 00:36:53,370
which will be a strange brave new world

929
00:36:58,460 --> 00:36:56,670
it is the young people who are the ones

930
00:37:01,940 --> 00:36:58,470
who are going to live in that world I

931
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:01,950
may be around to see it unveiled but I'm

932
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:03,780
not going to spend too much of my life

933
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:05,490
living in it they're gonna spend most of

934
00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:07,290
their lives living in it they need to

935
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:09,900
pay attention to this so I do think that

936
00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:14,040
that's way too bad and it is important

937
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:17,190
that UFO conference does not be full of

938
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:20,010
a lot of gray beards but more young

939
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:22,380
people who are not only investigators

940
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:23,970
but who are actively interested now I

941
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,640
will say I did see some people like that

942
00:37:31,610 --> 00:37:29,280
at the eye ufoc not as many as I would

943
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:31,620
like but I think there's more of it but

944
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:35,040
the issue that seems to be reflective of

945
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:37,470
what the younger generation is all about

946
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:39,960
right now seems to be they casually

947
00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:41,670
accept that we're not alone in the

948
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:44,670
universe they love a good alien movie

949
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:47,610
they they love sci-fi they're willing to

950
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:49,770
geek out on things like that but they

951
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:52,920
these like their elders have not made

952
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,810
the leap from well let me here's what

953
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:56,400
here's the leap that we need to make

954
00:38:01,340 --> 00:37:59,010
right now we're all willing pretty much

955
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,350
in large numbers to say yeah we're

956
00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:03,480
probably not alone in the universe which

957
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:05,430
is what I call this Carl Sagan theory

958
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:07,260
that there's so many planets out there

959
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,540
that there the universe must be teeming

960
00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:10,800
with life okay but

961
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,840
we have the Carl Sagan problem which

962
00:38:16,370 --> 00:38:14,820
Sagan would say there's billions and

963
00:38:18,590 --> 00:38:16,380
billions of stars out there with

964
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:18,600
trillions and trillions of planets the

965
00:38:23,330 --> 00:38:21,330
universe is teeming with life but and

966
00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:23,340
then he would say they couldn't possibly

967
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:26,940
be here the distances are too large I

968
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:30,090
think it is time for us to say that is

969
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:32,850
old school thinking that's not the way

970
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,910
it is it is not true that they haven't

971
00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:37,760
made it here the facts on the ground

972
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:40,740
through the reports that I've seen and

973
00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:42,900
you've seen and your listeners have seen

974
00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:45,990
are that they are here in some kind of

975
00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:49,350
presence all right these things on those

976
00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:51,600
two gun camera mounts are not ours and

977
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,400
they're probably not the Russians and

978
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:55,920
they're probably not the Chinese there

979
00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:58,890
are somebody else so instead of

980
00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:01,380
pretending that they we need to have

981
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:04,500
SETI telescopes aimed at the skies to

982
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:06,540
get a radio message

983
00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:09,060
we should really be focusing on that

984
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,220
what is clearly the issue of the

985
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:14,400
generation which is they're here they're

986
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:17,730
already here the questions I want to

987
00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:20,490
have answered are three who are they

988
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:25,230
what do they want and are we safe those

989
00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:26,700
are the three questions that we should

990
00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:28,950
be focused on right now because the

991
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:31,400
facts on the ground and in the sky

992
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:36,060
literally are that they're here so we

993
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,490
need to move beyond simply wringing our

994
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:40,320
hands about whether they're here you

995
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,450
know whether the universe has life and

996
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:44,880
say there is another life we don't know

997
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:47,610
who they are right now and those people

998
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:49,290
who have some facts on that we would

999
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:52,020
welcome coming forward but so far it

1000
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,570
seems that the government has had some

1001
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:56,700
70 some years to come forward and

1002
00:40:01,160 --> 00:39:58,650
haven't really come forward in a

1003
00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:01,170
completely honest way

1004
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:03,990
clearly not honest way and we need to

1005
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:05,130
move beyond that and if they're not

1006
00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:06,240
going to lead the way then we're gonna

1007
00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:07,190
have to do it ourselves

1008
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,870
absolutely man I've always doubted that

1009
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:11,880
idea that we are all going to have our

1010
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:13,710
own personal disclosures and we are

1011
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:16,770
going to be the future of whatever lay

1012
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:19,050
at the end of this phenomenon for sure I

1013
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:21,780
start talking about UFOs I'm often

1014
00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:23,460
treated like the drunk uncle at the

1015
00:40:26,780 --> 00:40:24,270
party

1016
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:26,790
okay and I think we needed to say okay

1017
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:28,740
well that goes to the territory but we

1018
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:32,490
need to speak our truth in a clear way

1019
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:35,160
it's like pitching in Hollywood you

1020
00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:36,660
don't pitch the bottom of the pyramid

1021
00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:39,870
you pitch the top start with at least

1022
00:40:44,090 --> 00:40:41,640
some of the things flying around in our

1023
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:44,100
skies are from someplace that isn't here

1024
00:40:46,430 --> 00:40:45,780
and they're being flown by somebody that

1025
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:46,440
isn't us

1026
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:48,510
you can probably get a buy-in on that

1027
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:50,610
from a lot of people who will then say

1028
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,960
who are they and then you go well I

1029
00:40:55,610 --> 00:40:53,280
don't know but I would like to know

1030
00:40:58,300 --> 00:40:55,620
wouldn't you like to know so talk about

1031
00:41:02,690 --> 00:40:58,310
it but talk about it an informed

1032
00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:02,700
rational non crazy way be very grounded

1033
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:05,340
in your and articulate in how you speak

1034
00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:08,610
to people on this topic secondly if you

1035
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:12,150
think you've got a nice UFO library slap

1036
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:14,370
your name in it put labels on these

1037
00:41:17,420 --> 00:41:15,960
books and start giving them out and

1038
00:41:19,850 --> 00:41:17,430
loaning them to friends and when you

1039
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:19,860
load them to a friend say I'm not giving

1040
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:21,930
you this book you know I want it back

1041
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:24,690
but I would like you to take a look at

1042
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:26,730
it so why don't you take a month or so

1043
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:29,370
with it and and then when you've had a

1044
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:31,410
chance to look it over let's talk about

1045
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,260
it this is how political movements and

1046
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:36,720
activist movements seem to work you've

1047
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,520
got to bring people into the tent one

1048
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:40,880
person at a time there's not gonna be

1049
00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:44,310
anybody who starts some big movement at

1050
00:41:47,780 --> 00:41:46,320
least not yet it's got a it's got to

1051
00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:47,790
come from the ground up it's got to be

1052
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:50,520
grassroots people have to be changed by

1053
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,130
the articulate informed opinions of

1054
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:55,200
people who have thought about this topic

1055
00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:57,810
people like your listeners yes there's

1056
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:00,540
such a good way of putting embracing I

1057
00:42:04,940 --> 00:42:02,970
mean I gave a skeptic friend of mine you

1058
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:04,950
know I had him on the show to argue the

1059
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:07,020
possibility of UFOs and possibly even

1060
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:07,920
abductions

1061
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:10,260
I gave him Travis Waltons book you know

1062
00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:12,390
two months later he calls me and says

1063
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:14,430
holy [\h__\h] and you know

1064
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,680
mind blown and right there like you said

1065
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:18,960
like giving someone the credible

1066
00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:21,180
information amongst the noise you know

1067
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,670
is extremely important and I think you

1068
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:25,440
make a very good point there that you

1069
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:27,450
know don't keep it so close to the chest

1070
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:30,030
if you hear a story tell someone if

1071
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:32,220
you're sort of information get it out

1072
00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:34,290
there like don't save it for a rainy day

1073
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:37,380
I I have dinners all the time where you

1074
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:37,980
know friend

1075
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:40,920
or her new acquaintances will say well

1076
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:43,619
wait you-you-you believe in this UFO

1077
00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:46,530
stuff and I say well let's define our

1078
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:49,320
terms I don't believe in UFO stuff but I

1079
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:51,570
do believe and then I state make my

1080
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:52,770
statement I'm gonna make it one more

1081
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:54,089
time on your program because I think

1082
00:42:58,099 --> 00:42:56,310
it's a great way to open things up at

1083
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,109
least some of the things flying around

1084
00:43:02,270 --> 00:43:00,240
in our skies are from someplace that

1085
00:43:04,579 --> 00:43:02,280
isn't here and they're being piloted by

1086
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:04,589
somebody that isn't us and I say that

1087
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:06,660
and people will sit there and go mmm

1088
00:43:11,540 --> 00:43:09,510
really I go really and then we take the

1089
00:43:13,579 --> 00:43:11,550
conversation from there sometimes it'll

1090
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,589
become the dinner sometimes it's five

1091
00:43:18,260 --> 00:43:16,020
minutes but at least those people are

1092
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:18,270
able to look at me a friend or someone

1093
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:20,339
that they believe has some credibility

1094
00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:22,770
and they'll say well he actually

1095
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:25,230
believes that and so I wonder if there

1096
00:43:28,099 --> 00:43:27,000
is something to it and I think that

1097
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:28,109
that's not we're gonna have to move

1098
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,970
forward I couldn't agree more

1099
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:32,160
that's that's a perfect way to sort of

1100
00:43:36,020 --> 00:43:34,170
cap up the the entire you know journey

1101
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,030
that you and I and so many others are

1102
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:38,400
taking is just you know get it out there

1103
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:41,609
find the most credible people and take

1104
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:42,329
it from there

1105
00:43:46,579 --> 00:43:44,819
and I mean you're working on a couple

1106
00:43:48,859 --> 00:43:46,589
other film projects as well in

1107
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:48,869
development brace that will get those

1108
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:50,910
credible cases out there and I know you

1109
00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:53,250
can't talk much about these completely

1110
00:43:57,470 --> 00:43:55,380
understand that but I mean you mentioned

1111
00:44:00,079 --> 00:43:57,480
captured earlier but there's another big

1112
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:00,089
one about a case we all are very

1113
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,310
familiar with that I know you're working

1114
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:03,839
on as well and I found very exciting

1115
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:05,849
would you mind giving us just a tease

1116
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:07,710
and what that might be why don't you

1117
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:11,940
tell me what you know it's it's a it's a

1118
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,490
place in New Mexico I'll leave it oh all

1119
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:16,260
right okay all right no it's not like

1120
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,420
these are state secrets right everybody

1121
00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:20,400
develops things the question is it's

1122
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:21,990
really hard to get things made I'll give

1123
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:23,880
you an example have a movie that'll be

1124
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:25,500
shot this year called the last battle

1125
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:26,910
it's about the last battle of world war

1126
00:44:30,829 --> 00:44:28,740
ii in europe and it's taken me over a

1127
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:30,839
decade to get it to this place where

1128
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:34,410
it's being shot so it's no it's no knock

1129
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:36,119
on someone that they have ideas they're

1130
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:37,770
developing that aren't being produced

1131
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:39,930
it's just really hard to get the money

1132
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:43,319
right now because there's obviously a

1133
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:46,050
studio system that wants to do ten pull

1134
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,460
movies but yes you're right

1135
00:44:52,810 --> 00:44:50,480
I have to UFO themed films

1136
00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:52,820
I'm working on and one television series

1137
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:53,720
and I'll give you a quick rundown

1138
00:44:57,820 --> 00:44:55,730
because I as I said there's no it's not

1139
00:45:00,490 --> 00:44:57,830
a state secret captured is the one about

1140
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:00,500
Betty and Barney Hill and one piece of

1141
00:45:05,380 --> 00:45:02,690
very interesting news on that front is

1142
00:45:07,570 --> 00:45:05,390
that dan Aykroyd has agreed to play the

1143
00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:07,580
part of doctor or Benjamin Simon the

1144
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:11,270
psychiatrist dresses the hills now that

1145
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:13,400
doesn't mean I have funding it doesn't

1146
00:45:18,130 --> 00:45:15,200
mean I have the leads to play the hills

1147
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:18,140
but it it's a building block and and I

1148
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,210
thank Dan very much he's a terrific guy

1149
00:45:24,610 --> 00:45:22,640
and the fact that he would lend his name

1150
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:24,620
to that is fantastic and it's it's

1151
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:26,450
wonderful and we're we're using that to

1152
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:28,370
make some introductions now the movie

1153
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:29,440
you're talking about is called

1154
00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:32,720
unidentified unidentified is based on

1155
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:35,750
two things the life stories to both Don

1156
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:37,850
Schmidt and Stanton Friedman who are

1157
00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:40,670
preeminent Roswell investigators and two

1158
00:45:44,260 --> 00:45:42,440
books they have written for Dawn its

1159
00:45:47,050 --> 00:45:44,270
witness to Roswell for Stanton

1160
00:45:49,390 --> 00:45:47,060
it's top-secret magic and I've taken

1161
00:45:51,970 --> 00:45:49,400
those two life stories those two books

1162
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:51,980
and woven it into the story of the race

1163
00:45:57,610 --> 00:45:55,310
to break the Roswell story which gives

1164
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:57,620
it a human value because we all know

1165
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,330
Stan and Don they're very disparate

1166
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:01,280
personalities but what you may not know

1167
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:04,610
is in the 90s they actually were paid to

1168
00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:06,650
work together for a period of time and

1169
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:08,390
ended up sleeping in the same motel

1170
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:09,020
rooms

1171
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:10,850
well theis researched Roswell so we've

1172
00:46:15,790 --> 00:46:13,370
made something of that and I think it's

1173
00:46:19,150 --> 00:46:15,800
a way to tell the Roswell story in a way

1174
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:19,160
that may make it more cinematic and film

1175
00:46:24,460 --> 00:46:22,090
friendly so we're definitely working on

1176
00:46:27,340 --> 00:46:24,470
unidentified the thing that's also very

1177
00:46:29,710 --> 00:46:27,350
exciting to me is that I'm working again

1178
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:29,720
with my dark skies co-creator Brent

1179
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,610
Freedman Brent and I had been fast

1180
00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:33,680
friends for years and there we sort of

1181
00:46:38,530 --> 00:46:36,230
captured magic in a bottle with dark

1182
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:38,540
skies we were just two guys that had

1183
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:40,730
something to say and we just couldn't be

1184
00:46:46,890 --> 00:46:43,490
tonight and we just said it and that

1185
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:46,900
series is about 90% of what we wanted of

1186
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,130
the way we wanted to tell the story

1187
00:46:53,830 --> 00:46:52,160
which is profound we didn't have tons of

1188
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:53,840
network interference in that regard and

1189
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:55,790
he and I are working currently on

1190
00:46:59,890 --> 00:46:57,710
adapting the book that I co-wrote with

1191
00:47:02,410 --> 00:46:59,900
Richard Dolan which is ad after

1192
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:02,420
disclosure so we're working on a

1193
00:47:07,420 --> 00:47:04,430
television series about ad right now

1194
00:47:09,579 --> 00:47:07,430
Wow that's a movie the world post

1195
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:09,589
disclosure and by disclosure doesn't

1196
00:47:13,660 --> 00:47:11,089
have to be a big D it can be little D

1197
00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:13,670
but we're writing about the time where

1198
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:17,150
everybody on the planet knows that we're

1199
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:19,490
not alone and the implication I can only

1200
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,730
imagine you know in such a fax topic

1201
00:47:26,859 --> 00:47:24,559
yeah I think that the reason it's taken

1202
00:47:29,799 --> 00:47:26,869
me all this time from the when the book

1203
00:47:31,930 --> 00:47:29,809
was published and 2012 I think it was so

1204
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:31,940
about six years ago it's taking me this

1205
00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:34,010
much time because I want to get it right

1206
00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:36,140
and I want to I wanted to find the right

1207
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:38,150
framework for it and I think Brent and I

1208
00:47:42,670 --> 00:47:40,910
are very close to finding that so I I

1209
00:47:45,069 --> 00:47:42,680
hope that he and I can get it out and

1210
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,079
find a home this year but you know there

1211
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:46,640
are a lot of hopes and dreams you know

1212
00:47:50,859 --> 00:47:48,410
in the world of ufology and their hopes

1213
00:47:52,930 --> 00:47:50,869
and dreams in Hollywood all I can say is

1214
00:47:55,299 --> 00:47:52,940
that I get up every day and work to make

1215
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,309
these things a reality and and I think

1216
00:48:01,059 --> 00:47:58,160
that in their own way they can help us

1217
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:01,069
if they get made can help lead us to a

1218
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,930
time where we do have a more open

1219
00:48:07,329 --> 00:48:05,359
disclosure and discussion of this very

1220
00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:07,339
important topic I couldn't agree more

1221
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:09,140
Brice I mean it's people like you who

1222
00:48:14,289 --> 00:48:11,930
invigorate me to continue both facets

1223
00:48:16,779 --> 00:48:14,299
and my my life as well ufology and

1224
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:16,789
writing as well so I mean just to know

1225
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,529
that when you wake up in the morning

1226
00:48:21,250 --> 00:48:19,520
there's someone else

1227
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:21,260
right behind you trying to do the same

1228
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,750
thing it's it's amazing it's

1229
00:48:28,359 --> 00:48:25,520
inspirational and I think you're right

1230
00:48:30,789 --> 00:48:28,369
Hollywood Hollywood is Hollywood but

1231
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,799
when it comes to these topics getting it

1232
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:32,720
out to the mainstream any way we can is

1233
00:48:38,410 --> 00:48:36,140
a big step and I think you are a hero to

1234
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:38,420
many of us in the field who don't have

1235
00:48:42,849 --> 00:48:40,490
those resources who don't know I don't

1236
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:42,859
think you know that's awfully kind but I

1237
00:48:47,289 --> 00:48:45,049
don't think it's true that the truth is

1238
00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:47,299
I don't really have any other resources

1239
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:49,460
than most people have the resource I

1240
00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:51,890
have is what everybody has which is that

1241
00:48:57,339 --> 00:48:54,950
I focus on things that are important to

1242
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,349
me and I'm sure you do the same and so

1243
00:49:00,789 --> 00:48:59,119
to many other people and there's a lot

1244
00:49:03,970 --> 00:49:00,799
of ways to tell this story

1245
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:03,980
I do hope more people do what we talked

1246
00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:06,200
about earlier with MUFON whether it's

1247
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:08,150
MUFON or another organization that

1248
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:10,390
hasn't even been created yet but

1249
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:12,609
organizations we're intelligent

1250
00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:15,529
like-minded people come together to try

1251
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,260
to find the facts about this

1252
00:49:23,050 --> 00:49:20,240
I think we need to move beyond one issue

1253
00:49:25,540 --> 00:49:23,060
here which is we have spent a long long

1254
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:25,550
time trying to prove that they're real

1255
00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:27,410
there's like 10,000 books out there

1256
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:30,560
trying to prove to people who can't

1257
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:32,570
believe that UFOs are real that they are

1258
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:34,910
I think and this is why Richard Dolan

1259
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:37,190
and I wrote ad it was time to write the

1260
00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:39,170
book nobody had ever written before what

1261
00:49:44,850 --> 00:49:41,540
happens after we agree they're real what

1262
00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:44,860
we don't know yet we need to move to a

1263
00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:48,620
discussion on a global scale about what

1264
00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:50,990
we do know about this these craft that

1265
00:49:55,390 --> 00:49:53,030
are flying around and that are under our

1266
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,400
seas that are in our orbits we need to

1267
00:50:00,700 --> 00:49:58,400
ask ourselves what are they what do they

1268
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,710
want and is this good or bad

1269
00:50:05,950 --> 00:50:03,200
and what's really going on I'm

1270
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:05,960
frustrated because I've accepted for

1271
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:08,810
almost 25 years based on my own reading

1272
00:50:14,590 --> 00:50:11,330
that this is not some sort of global

1273
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:14,600
delusion that there's an actual reality

1274
00:50:19,420 --> 00:50:16,850
to this thing so I'm frustrated that 25

1275
00:50:22,090 --> 00:50:19,430
years later a we're not talking about it

1276
00:50:23,830 --> 00:50:22,100
as if it's real and B that we're not

1277
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:23,840
focused on trying to understand what it

1278
00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:26,210
means to us because what it means to us

1279
00:50:30,490 --> 00:50:28,760
is about the future of humanity which it

1280
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:30,500
gives back to your earlier point that's

1281
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:33,230
why if you're under 30 start paying

1282
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,090
attention to this topic start reading

1283
00:50:40,210 --> 00:50:37,280
about it because you you'll be that much

1284
00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:40,220
ahead of the game when in the next five

1285
00:50:47,110 --> 00:50:44,390
to ten years this becomes a very open

1286
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,120
topic that is no longer secret I love it

1287
00:50:51,340 --> 00:50:49,040
man I stand corrected see that that

1288
00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:51,350
gives me hope that definitely gives me

1289
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:52,790
hope that I couldn't think of a better

1290
00:50:57,220 --> 00:50:55,010
way to sort of wrap up the discourse

1291
00:51:00,100 --> 00:50:57,230
here but I'd love to know where can we

1292
00:51:02,140 --> 00:51:00,110
find your breakpoint series and the most

1293
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:02,150
current book where can we get that

1294
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:03,770
fantastic that's very nice of you

1295
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,800
I've we put together three URLs for your

1296
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:08,480
listeners that'll be pretty simple the

1297
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:10,610
first is if you buy from Amazon go to

1298
00:51:14,620 --> 00:51:13,250
Amazon Beatles calm I like it was a

1299
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:14,630
really surprised I could get that you

1300
00:51:21,130 --> 00:51:16,910
are help it they I got so it's Amazon

1301
00:51:23,650 --> 00:51:21,140
Beatles calm and I love to get a sale on

1302
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:23,660
Amazon of course but I also urge people

1303
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:25,010
if they want to get it to go to their

1304
00:51:28,690 --> 00:51:26,930
independent booksellers support the

1305
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:28,700
local people and ask them to order it

1306
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:30,170
for you it still you'll get it in a few

1307
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:32,170
days anyway the other thing we did

1308
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:33,970
is that that website that we talked

1309
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:35,710
about where you can actually play around

1310
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:38,410
and the the alternate universe of the

1311
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:39,760
Beatles staying together and it's called

1312
00:51:45,630 --> 00:51:43,599
what if Beatles calm and that's that's

1313
00:51:48,030 --> 00:51:45,640
fun and then finally we put together a

1314
00:51:50,609 --> 00:51:48,040
video of the Beatles playing together on

1315
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:50,619
a new song that we we had written for us

1316
00:51:55,859 --> 00:51:53,049
and that's on YouTube and it's at more

1317
00:51:57,630 --> 00:51:55,869
Beatles calm so here they are very quick

1318
00:52:00,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Amazon Beatles

1319
00:52:03,299 --> 00:52:00,930
what if Beatles and more Beatles calm

1320
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:03,309
perfect I can't wait to see that new

1321
00:52:11,609 --> 00:52:07,839
song my man everything about what I get

1322
00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:11,619
to do for a living is fun and the the

1323
00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:13,900
interesting part of the youth ufology

1324
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,420
thing is that it goes beyond fun to

1325
00:52:21,329 --> 00:52:18,880
being important absolutely man and you

1326
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:21,339
know as hard as it may be I can imagine

1327
00:52:26,819 --> 00:52:24,670
it's just as much rewarding so I mean

1328
00:52:29,069 --> 00:52:26,829
I've been following you on this UFO

1329
00:52:31,049 --> 00:52:29,079
trail for many years Bryce I'm so

1330
00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:31,059
honored that you came on today man thank

1331
00:52:35,849 --> 00:52:33,670
you so much for total pleasure and all

1332
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:35,859
best to all the listeners out there

1333
00:52:40,349 --> 00:52:38,710
keep at it don't give up and stay

1334
00:52:42,569 --> 00:52:40,359
healthy that is it for this week's

1335
00:52:44,370 --> 00:52:42,579
episode again be sure to check out

1336
00:52:47,099 --> 00:52:44,380
Bryce's new breakpoint series

1337
00:52:49,410 --> 00:52:47,109
installment once there was a way what if

1338
00:52:52,109 --> 00:52:49,420
the Beatles stayed together it's

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available on Amazon somewhere in the

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staying with this week's theme bryce

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sable shared this amazing

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alternate Beatle song

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us imagine if they had recorded well

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into the late 60s and beyond

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well imagine no further I leave you with

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the friar park recording session of the

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1971 Beatles smash hit show up I hope

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you enjoy and remember keep your feet on

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the ground but never stop searching

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somewhere in the skies

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like it

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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when you

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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somewhere in the skies is produced by

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